I see in the Shell Point Classifieds that Wright Finney is selling his Equipe. I think he will be racing an Exocet Pacer. (298 cm, 87 cm, 255 liters). There's also an F2 Lightning listed. I believe Wright's is an XR (carbon) and I recall it being in very good shape-- good price too.
I think that's the basic problem Chris. Why would manufacturer make a new board to sell for $2000-$3000 when you can get one of yesterday's top dogs for a lot less money. Instead, come up with something new that doesn't have to compete with used stuff. Kind of like the Braves trading players after their jerseys are no longer selling. (I'm sure that's why we got rid of Maddox, Glavine, Javy, Sheffield, etc to name a few.)
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What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.
I did wear out an IMCO and bought a new one. It had gotten pretty "flexible"... too many cycles through rough water while reaching. You get all that board out there levering against the mast foot in the back position & you see some pretty big movement at the nose. My Equipe has a lot of miles on it but it still seems very stiff. (Carbonation is gooood)
Hey Atlanta folks, I couldnt help but overhear your discussion! All the longboards I have seen so far in my short windsurfing experience, seem to perform in the widest range of conditions. All the boards comming out new seem to be comming back to the old school way! Are the manufacturers always changing up boards?
I don't know if the yearly changes are dramatic enough to be noticed by a sailor of my abilities but the changes made over a 10 year period sure are. I updated my mid 1990s gear to 2005 gear and it was dramatic. I could never go back to my old stuff now. The only thing I could say negative about my new stuff is the scoop in the front of the board seems to really hurt in sub planing conditions. I like the Kona but I would rather have a course board and a short board instead of one board that tries to do it all.
Alan,
Boards like the Kona aren't trying "to do it all". IIRC, this movement came from board designers looking for a light air surf-sailing board. They want something that will allow them to punch out of the break and catch waves on the way back in. If the wind picks up, they'll perform more like short boards than the traditional long board (ie you won't feel like you are in foot straps on the trunk of a Cadillac) but aren't meant to substitute for a nice 100 liter board. These guys just got tired of looking at decent waves in 10 mph of wind and no way to take advantage of them (and no, one does not take a Formula board out in the surf - well, anyone with a limited bank account).
I guess I showed my ignorance regarding wave sailing. I am a flat water sailor that really has no desire to do any more. In my limited sailing oportunities these type boards don't really fit my needs. A 165 liter freeride board with a 7.5 sail is my most used combination. Thanks for explaining the Kona.
"...you won't feel like you are in foot straps on the trunk of a Cadillac" lol
You say that like there's something wrong with it... I love having all that Caddy out in front. It's like being the captain of an oil tanker-- "Get outta the way!! I got no brakes!!"
"...you won't feel like you are in foot straps on the trunk of a Cadillac" lol
You say that like there's something wrong with it... I love having all that Caddy out in front. It's like being the captain of an oil tanker-- "Get outta the way!! I got no brakes!!"
cv
I just got tired of Leonardo DiCaprio always sitting on the front of my board with his arms spread-eagled. Of course, he would do this moments before I'd attempt a planing jibe. Leo never survived - poor fellow.
Nothing smooths out chop like 11' of carbonization out in front. You should try it with a rounded bottom. Now thats pushing the "supertanker" through the water with no brakes
how insensitive of me - I left out Kate Winslet. Here we are in a late afternoon session just upwind of Aqualand on my old Equipe. I think I was on a North 8.2 that day.
I drove a '66 Caddy a few times (belonged to a friend back in college). Gawd, those things were huge.
I drove a '66 Caddy a few times (belonged to a friend back in college). Gawd, those things were huge.
Reminds me of my brothers 1960ish Ford Land Yacht. First car I ever tried to go 100 mph in. I thought it was going to explode around 95 :shock: , so I chickened out.
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What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.
I thunk maybe that was you Kelvin.(I'm glad you're still kicking). Yes that long wheelbase made it track real nice. I remember rocketing down some FL backroad on the way to a regatta and looking down at the speedo nudging over 100... but it was still just as smooooth as silk.
Later, when Bob Awtry owned it and it broke down on the way to a regatta, he just had it delivered to the event on a flatbed. He figured that was simplest because it had all his WSing stuff in it. Quite an entrance.
Cool old memories, those were the days cruising to the races every weekend..
Yep, Gebbi bought it from Bob, drove it till it died then sold it to a plumbing store in Ft Wanton Beach. The plumber has it in front of his store with a sign that reads " We bury our competition"
I looked on the Windsurf magazine for a picture, could not find it. Please email the picture to me so I can use it as my avatar
Prodigy= 298cm, 87cm, 255 liters, ~ 35lbs. "Does everything!" (none of it particularly well). Seems pretty much the same (bad) idea to me.
cv
Chris, if you could by a brand new Equipe today, would you?
Bill Herderich
You got one for sale?
Here's another new longboard - only 455 cm long (15 feet plus)
http://www.star-board.com/viewpage.php?page_id=37#
What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.
I see in the Shell Point Classifieds that Wright Finney is selling his Equipe. I think he will be racing an Exocet Pacer. (298 cm, 87 cm, 255 liters). There's also an F2 Lightning listed. I believe Wright's is an XR (carbon) and I recall it being in very good shape-- good price too.
It's official, I'm an old fart.
http://www.20knotsnob.com/
http://www.exocet-original.com/products/pacer.asp
I think that's the basic problem Chris. Why would manufacturer make a new board to sell for $2000-$3000 when you can get one of yesterday's top dogs for a lot less money. Instead, come up with something new that doesn't have to compete with used stuff. Kind of like the Braves trading players after their jerseys are no longer selling. (I'm sure that's why we got rid of Maddox, Glavine, Javy, Sheffield, etc to name a few.)
What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.
I did wear out an IMCO and bought a new one. It had gotten pretty "flexible"... too many cycles through rough water while reaching. You get all that board out there levering against the mast foot in the back position & you see some pretty big movement at the nose. My Equipe has a lot of miles on it but it still seems very stiff. (Carbonation is gooood)
Hey Atlanta folks, I couldnt help but overhear your discussion! All the longboards I have seen so far in my short windsurfing experience, seem to perform in the widest range of conditions. All the boards comming out new seem to be comming back to the old school way! Are the manufacturers always changing up boards?
I don't know if the yearly changes are dramatic enough to be noticed by a sailor of my abilities but the changes made over a 10 year period sure are. I updated my mid 1990s gear to 2005 gear and it was dramatic. I could never go back to my old stuff now. The only thing I could say negative about my new stuff is the scoop in the front of the board seems to really hurt in sub planing conditions. I like the Kona but I would rather have a course board and a short board instead of one board that tries to do it all.
Alan,
Boards like the Kona aren't trying "to do it all". IIRC, this movement came from board designers looking for a light air surf-sailing board. They want something that will allow them to punch out of the break and catch waves on the way back in. If the wind picks up, they'll perform more like short boards than the traditional long board (ie you won't feel like you are in foot straps on the trunk of a Cadillac) but aren't meant to substitute for a nice 100 liter board. These guys just got tired of looking at decent waves in 10 mph of wind and no way to take advantage of them (and no, one does not take a Formula board out in the surf - well, anyone with a limited bank account).
I guess I showed my ignorance regarding wave sailing. I am a flat water sailor that really has no desire to do any more. In my limited sailing oportunities these type boards don't really fit my needs. A 165 liter freeride board with a 7.5 sail is my most used combination. Thanks for explaining the Kona.
Alan
"...you won't feel like you are in foot straps on the trunk of a Cadillac" lol
You say that like there's something wrong with it... I love having all that Caddy out in front. It's like being the captain of an oil tanker-- "Get outta the way!! I got no brakes!!"
cv
I just got tired of Leonardo DiCaprio always sitting on the front of my board with his arms spread-eagled. Of course, he would do this moments before I'd attempt a planing jibe. Leo never survived - poor fellow.
Nothing smooths out chop like 11' of carbonization out in front. You should try it with a rounded bottom. Now thats pushing the "supertanker" through the water with no brakes
how insensitive of me - I left out Kate Winslet. Here we are in a late afternoon session just upwind of Aqualand on my old Equipe. I think I was on a North 8.2 that day.
I drove a '66 Caddy a few times (belonged to a friend back in college). Gawd, those things were huge.
Yer too much Webguy.
I have a photo of Kevin Osburn's Windsurfin' Caddy Hearse. How do you add a photo here??
upload it to a gallery and then link it is probably the easiest unless it's already on the web someplace.
paste the address between the img tag
opening bracket img closing bracket pictureurl opening bracket /img closing bracket
or use the post reply button and click the img buttons as you compose the email
Reminds me of my brothers 1960ish Ford Land Yacht. First car I ever tried to go 100 mph in. I thought it was going to explode around 95 :shock: , so I chickened out.
What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.
you should have tried my old Hearse.. '71, 425 v8, pleanty of room to sleep in the back and very "peaceful"
It was great for the road trips.
I thunk maybe that was you Kelvin.(I'm glad you're still kicking). Yes that long wheelbase made it track real nice. I remember rocketing down some FL backroad on the way to a regatta and looking down at the speedo nudging over 100... but it was still just as smooooth as silk.
Later, when Bob Awtry owned it and it broke down on the way to a regatta, he just had it delivered to the event on a flatbed. He figured that was simplest because it had all his WSing stuff in it. Quite an entrance.
Didn't Gebi own it for a while too?
cv
Cool old memories, those were the days cruising to the races every weekend..
Yep, Gebbi bought it from Bob, drove it till it died then sold it to a plumbing store in Ft Wanton Beach. The plumber has it in front of his store with a sign that reads " We bury our competition"
I looked on the Windsurf magazine for a picture, could not find it. Please email the picture to me so I can use it as my avatar
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