38 degrees, wind speed & chop "all over the place" (Chris Pyron). It was 5 degrees warmer at McEver Rd than at VP. Oh well.
cv
Should have gone to Galts, it was sunny, windy and 60 degrees. [Well, maybe a little colder, say 38] But there was not all that nasty chop. Sailed 5.2, had the lake to myself. (I've come to regard it as my own private lake.)
Randy
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What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.
OK, the temp remained around 38 degrees all afternoon, we had 6 sailors, Voltor, Chris P, me, Barrett, Jammie Huff, and Larry N. At first it was real gusty, from 5 to 30 mph, but then it filled in and blew hard :shock: . Sail sizes ranged from 5.5 (voltor) down to 4.5 later in the afternoon. We got off the water around 4:00 and it was still crankin.
Gene called me and asked if I was going. I told him it was too cold and he asked me if I had a new dry suit. Well dry suit or not it was to cold, too gusty, ( notice how we all say to gusty instead of too windy ) and too choppy. Anyway, I made the right call after reading the above posts.
Even Trey didn't show and he is a cold weather sailer from the north pole.
Drew and I may try it on Fri if the wind stays up.
Randy, did you get to try your new little board (from Gene's Consignment)? :roll:
Yes - I sailed the 84 liter, Ecstasy for about 2 hours - another winner from Gene's consignment. (Some might question the word sailed.) Good thing I went to Galts where no one could watch the carnage. (As a friend of mine used to say, "if it had been a fight, they would have stopped it.")
The good news - I did my first body drag. (Not sure how that happend, it wasn't intentional, but it went pretty well. Probably won't ever be able to do it again.) I also made *ONE* (non planning) jibe w/o falling in. And it was pretty easy to get into the straps and planning. And, I did not break anything, or catch a cold as far as I can tell.
The bad news - There were 99 other jibes that ended badly. I have no idea how you would tack this thing. I found that moving your feet to the wrong place, or a hole in the wind usually meant it was time for swim. But as long as you keep moving, it works pretty well - until its time to turn around. In fact, the faster you are going, the easier this thing is to sail.
But it was fun, the Ecstasy has a much different "feel" than the boards I'm used to sailing - feels very light and smooth on the water, the board turns much better than the sailor. I never really liked high wind sailing, but think it could be fun if I get the hang of this thing.
Randy
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What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.
ya don't really tack 85 liter boards (well, not the average guy anyway). If you are planing, you jibe. If not planing, you pivot jibe. There's just so little nose, that you'll sink it (thus the origin of the helicopter tack, a way to tack by staying off the nose).
Same stuff applies - bend the knees. You'll sink the tail in a heart beat if you lean back thinking you are bending the knees. If you don't come out ripping on the other side, hold onto the boom and exit clew first so you aren't standing there bobbing up and down trying to flip the sail. The board is much more stable when moving even if just a bit.
Looks like the problem is not what I thought - I needed a bigger sail. I was using a 5.2 - looks like I should have been using a 9.5 on my formula board - see below. (I wonder if that would work on the Ecstasy?)
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Hey all
i'm looking at buying an 03 model arrows formula 9.5sqm sail and was
wondering if for me (5'11" and 68kg) wether i can get away with that as my
only sail (it comes with the recomended mast) ??? If not what sizes would
you recomend???
I will be using a Kinetic Centurion 100 board with the stock 66cm fin. Will
be sailing in Perth, West Oz and need to be able to cary up 25knots of wind
on the river (which at 25knots does get pretty choppy ).
Oh and i am new to formula sailing aswell.
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
TIA
Bertie
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Yes, you will find that you plane just as early as the biggest sails as long
as you pump very hard and efficiently. That said, your upwind and downwind
angles will suffer until you get into the sail's natural wind speed which I
have to think is about 15 knots true wind. With decent tuning your 9.5
will stay steady at 25 knots.
Your 66cm fin might seem too small to really compete, but much depends on
the particulars of the fin and your need for extra control in chop.
I can only suggest that you work out every setting combination possible to
find the right one for each condition. An adjustable outhaul will be
mandatory, of course.
-Dan
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What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.
Should have gone to Galts, it was sunny, windy and 60 degrees.
[Well, maybe a little colder, say 38] 
But there was not all that nasty chop. Sailed 5.2, had the lake to myself. (I've come to regard it as my own private lake.)
Randy
What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.
Yeah, I was right behind you and noticed the different temps (over Browns Bridge it hit 34). Seemed too cold and too gusty!
OK, the temp remained around 38 degrees all afternoon, we had 6 sailors, Voltor, Chris P, me, Barrett, Jammie Huff, and Larry N. At first it was real gusty, from 5 to 30 mph, but then it filled in and blew hard :shock: . Sail sizes ranged from 5.5 (voltor) down to 4.5 later in the afternoon. We got off the water around 4:00 and it was still crankin.
See history at http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KGVL.html
Gene
Randy, did you get to try your new little board (from Gene's Consignment)? :roll:
Gene Mathis
Gene,
Did Larry N pay you to say he was sailing? If temp was 38F, that puts it about 40F colder than any on previous windsurf outing he's ever made!!!
Andrew
Gene called me and asked if I was going. I told him it was too cold and he asked me if I had a new dry suit. Well dry suit or not it was to cold, too gusty, ( notice how we all say to gusty instead of too windy ) and too choppy. Anyway, I made the right call after reading the above posts.
Even Trey didn't show and he is a cold weather sailer from the north pole.
Drew and I may try it on Fri if the wind stays up.
Oh, you brave souls.
Yes - I sailed the 84 liter, Ecstasy for about 2 hours - another winner from Gene's consignment. (Some might question the word sailed.) Good thing I went to Galts where no one could watch the carnage. (As a friend of mine used to say, "if it had been a fight, they would have stopped it.")
The good news - I did my first body drag.
(Not sure how that happend, it wasn't intentional, but it went pretty well. Probably won't ever be able to do it again.) I also made *ONE* (non planning) jibe w/o falling in. And it was pretty easy to get into the straps and planning. And, I did not break anything, or catch a cold as far as I can tell.
The bad news - There were 99 other jibes that ended badly. I have no idea how you would tack this thing. I found that moving your feet to the wrong place, or a hole in the wind usually meant it was time for swim. But as long as you keep moving, it works pretty well - until its time to turn around. In fact, the faster you are going, the easier this thing is to sail.
But it was fun, the Ecstasy has a much different "feel" than the boards I'm used to sailing - feels very light and smooth on the water, the board turns much better than the sailor. I never really liked high wind sailing, but think it could be fun if I get the hang of this thing.
Randy
What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.
ya don't really tack 85 liter boards (well, not the average guy anyway). If you are planing, you jibe. If not planing, you pivot jibe. There's just so little nose, that you'll sink it (thus the origin of the helicopter tack, a way to tack by staying off the nose).
Same stuff applies - bend the knees. You'll sink the tail in a heart beat if you lean back thinking you are bending the knees. If you don't come out ripping on the other side, hold onto the boom and exit clew first so you aren't standing there bobbing up and down trying to flip the sail. The board is much more stable when moving even if just a bit.
Signed,
A guy who's fallen more than 99 times.
Webguy,
Looks like the problem is not what I thought - I needed a bigger sail. I was using a 5.2 - looks like I should have been using a 9.5 on my formula board - see below. (I wonder if that would work on the Ecstasy?)
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Hey all
i'm looking at buying an 03 model arrows formula 9.5sqm sail and was
wondering if for me (5'11" and 68kg) wether i can get away with that as my
only sail (it comes with the recomended mast) ??? If not what sizes would
you recomend???
I will be using a Kinetic Centurion 100 board with the stock 66cm fin. Will
be sailing in Perth, West Oz and need to be able to cary up 25knots of wind
on the river (which at 25knots does get pretty choppy ).
Oh and i am new to formula sailing aswell.
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
TIA
Bertie
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Yes, you will find that you plane just as early as the biggest sails as long
as you pump very hard and efficiently. That said, your upwind and downwind
angles will suffer until you get into the sail's natural wind speed which I
have to think is about 15 knots true wind. With decent tuning your 9.5
will stay steady at 25 knots.
Your 66cm fin might seem too small to really compete, but much depends on
the particulars of the fin and your need for extra control in chop.
I can only suggest that you work out every setting combination possible to
find the right one for each condition. An adjustable outhaul will be
mandatory, of course.
-Dan
What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.