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HamdiD
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Looking for a foil

Hit a rock (i suppose, was in fairly deep water and not too near shore) and sheared both screws, loosing the foil (bad a rope around the mast, which skid right off) - amazingly without damaging the board, I suppose thanks to strength of slot style attachment? Looking for a foil - either real good value or time to upgrade (full carbon?). Let me know if you see or know off any that will fit to either category - i am leaning towards the latter unless real good value.

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I am sorry that you lost your foil.

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Dang, sorry to hear that.
The bolts that connect the mast to the plate broke?
Titanium or stainless?

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Dang, sorry to hear that. The bolts that connect the mast to the plate broke? Titanium or stainless?

Yes. Those bolts. They came with the foil, I assume SS? Next foil, looking for Titanium I suppose!
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Just curious, I had read somewhere stainless will bend more before it breaks where titanium just breaks.
When my foil broke, front screw pulled through the carbon. Rear one bent, but neither broke. Both stainless.

I’m thinking my new foil will only be used in the deep waters of Lanier.
May try to find a used cheaper short mast foil to use in other places.

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I am so sorry. That's devastating. Were you here or FL?

I'm with Alan - I'm surprised that the bolts sheared. Relevant discussion: https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/Slingshot-titanium-bolt-failure

Rhett may have an SS for sale. I'll see if he's in town.

Again, really sorry about this.

New options:
carbon Moses Vento 85/GA Mach 1 (same foil), Tillo Wave, Loke LK1 (1300 wing)
alu Starboard Cruiser, NP Glide(larger wings)

Slingshot has their vaporware Phantasm lurking somewhere over the horizon.

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Was this in Florida or Lanier?

I guess there is an advantage to snapping a bolt opposed to a blown out fin box as long as the foil is recovered.

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Sorry to hear about that HamdiD. I'd suggest my foil that is for sale, but it requires a deep tuttle which is apparently not what you have.* I would also recommend you contact Slingshot - it may be a longshot but it seems the titanium bolt failure with their foils is a thing - and they seem pretty generous about providing replacements. I think Gene knows about that.

*Of course, my board is also part of the package....but weight/volume might be an issue.

What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.

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Was this in Florida or Lanier?

Florida actually - to respond to both your and William's comments. Yeah, it's amazing they broke like that given the mast goes into a pretty deep metal casing pretty snugly. Yes, I was at speed,on the wing. Whatever it was must have been sticking up pretty high as it was deep there. Fortunately I have picked a spot with wind coming on shore. Especially with a large sail, I could not sail without a fin. Any foil research you have done? What are you liking,where, why?
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I have the Tuttle and pedestal plate adapters from Slingshot. Not sure why they do this, but the bolts on the Tuttle give you a solid more 1/4+ inch more into the mast than the pedestal plate. I wonder if longer screws would have made a difference?

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HamdiD wrote:
I could not sail without a fin.

Old trick is to wrap your harness around the tail of the board to get back in with a broken fin but with these wide tail boards that may not work.

Where in, I assume Panama City, did you actually launch from ?

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HamdiD wrote: I could not sail without a fin.

Old trick is to wrap your harness around the tail of the board to get back in with a broken fin but with these wide tail boards that may not work.

Where in, I assume Panama City, did you actually launch from ?

Interesting, hope don't need it again but in case, good to know. I did st. Andrew's state park yesterday. Cape San blas thurs. Today was at Navarre Soundside park. All good places to launch, some a little drive from Panama city but when I had all day, not a problem.

I hear you are getting a Moses? What model, wing, from where, other specs?

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Yeah William got me spoiled on carbon so I took out two mortgages on the house Wacko and ordered the Moses Vento 85 from Sailworks.
Wing is very similar to the SS i76

https://www.sailworks.com/the-gear/foiling/windfoils/moses-vento-f85-freeride-windfoil.html

Again... it’s Williams fault!

I was interested in the modularity of the Slingshot phantasm but the lady at Slingshot said they won’t be out til late spring.

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Yeah William got me spoiled on carbon so I took out two mortgages on the house Wacko and ordered the Moses Vento 85 from Sailworks. Wing is very similar to the SS i76

https://www.sailworks.com/the-gear/foiling/windfoils/moses-vento-f85-freeride-windfoil.html

Again... it’s Williams fault!

I was interested in the modularity of the Slingshot phantasm but the lady at Slingshot said they won’t be out til late spring.

Cool, enjoy it Allan! I like that setup, though wish it came with a plate top for track mount that i have on my board.
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HamdiD wrote:
Cool, enjoy it Allan! I like that setup, though wish it came with a plate top for track mount that i have on my board.

Ahem... Wink

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Sorry to hear about that HamdiD. I'd suggest my foil that is for sale, but it requires a deep tuttle which is apparently not what you have.* I would also recommend you contact Slingshot - it may be a longshot but it seems the titanium bolt failure with their foils is a thing - and they seem pretty generous about providing replacements. I think Gene knows about that.

*Of course, my board is also part of the package....but weight/volume might be an issue.

That's a great suggestion Randy, I will try Slingshot. Your foil is a good value for sure. I am hoping to stay with track mount if I can. Even if I listen to William as i usually do and use the Tuttle connection, I feel I would later end up buying something else (longer mast, carbon wings, etc) - not that I would need to but I have been known to buy way too many toys that my capability in the sports doesn't need or can even appreciate that why start being sensible now, right? 😁
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HamdiD wrote: Cool, enjoy it Allan! I like that setup, though wish it came with a plate top for track mount that i have on my board.

Ahem... Wink

You scared me for a moment in my early sun morning haze, thought you were pointing out a damage to the board that I didn't notice. Now that I get your point and vastly relieved .. yes, I can do that but I really have come to like using the tracks and hope that one day my competency will catch up to actually start enjoying them for their real purpose - adjustability. But not a deal breaker if I can't use them.
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I have the Tuttle and pedestal plate adapters from Slingshot. Not sure why they do this, but the bolts on the Tuttle give you a solid more 1/4+ inch more into the mast than the pedestal plate. I wonder if longer screws would have made a difference?

I wonder why they didn't pay closer attention to this. Something to bring up when i am trying to make my (unlikely to succeed) care with them. Thanks.
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Wow, Slingshot will replace under warranty. Randy, I owe you lunch!

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Great! I am really glad that they are helping you with this.
I have really enjoyed my Slingshot and I still think they are the #1 fun foil manufacturer.
( Windfoil is just a part of their foil market and from what I see on their FB site, the smallest sector)

I do wish Slingshot would put out torque specifications with their fasteners.

Because the threaded holes are aluminum and the bolts titanium it is not the same at tightening a steel nut on a steel bolt.

I am already on my second set of fasteners because I overtorqued the flat head cap screws.

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Langdon wrote:

Great! I am really glad that they are helping you with this. I have really enjoyed my Slingshot and I still think they are the #1 fun foil manufacturer. ( Windfoil is just a part of their foil market and from what I see on their FB site, the smallest sector)

I do wish Slingshot would put out torque specifications with their fasteners.

Because the threaded holes are aluminum and the bolts titanium it is not the same at tightening a steel nut on a steel bolt.

I am already on my second set of fasteners because I overtorqued the flat head cap screws.

Thank you Langdon. This was quite a relief; really didn't want to spend money on a new foil now - if I stick with the sport, i might upgrade to carbon one day but would rather build more experience to care for and appreciate it better as well as ensure i am going to stick with it (there are days with enough frustration to question that). Anyways, very impressed with Slingshot customer service. They even gave me the option to get the replacement with 84 (what I had) or 76 wing. I don't suppose I can talk them into both? - just kidding, no need for greed! I have till tomorrow to decide 84 or 76 wing. Not that I am too far along in progression but I wonder if it's a good opportunity to go to 76. You are happy with your wing size, right?
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