Hybrid wind SUP?

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Hybrid wind SUP?

Sorry, don't like posting what's most likely been beat to death here but have not been able to find the search engine for his site to search back posts.

OK, I'm pretty much a rank amateur with respect to SUP and Wind Surfing although I canoe and kayak (and scuba)... was out in the kayak a while back and saw some people SUP and it looks like good exercise and fun. At the same time I've started wondering the same about Wind Surfing. Researching the two I've run across references to hybrid crossover rigs that do a fair job of accommodating both (not great but fair.) Would appreciate any advice or info on hybrids. The goal is to find suitable used gear until I figure out what I'm doing, then readjust... tks

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Re: Hybrid wind SUP?

"Hybrid SUP board VS WindSurf board | WindsportAtlanta.com" https://windsportatlanta.com/content/hybrid-sup-board-vs-windsurf-board-22017

*NOTE*
we have learned that the fin box on some inflatables are not strong enough to resist some of the forces that windsurfing produces.

*Also NOTE*
A lot of the above discussion was BEFORE I became addicted to foiling.
The NSP only WindSup'ed once in the last 18 months, and only for a bit. Breeze picked up, sailed to shore, moved the sail to the foil board and all was well

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Re: Hybrid wind SUP?

I have a RRD SUP with a mast track. I use this board on low wind days because of its large volume. The whole thing works great. Operates just like a windsurfer but I do not have straps. I use the harness on the SUP and have thought about adding straps. It won't go as fast as my AHD but still it works fine. I have wondered if it could handle a foil but I bet it is too heavy.

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Re: Hybrid wind SUP?

Slingshot Flyer 280. Not cheap but does it all SUP, windsurf, foil.
See Andy Brandt's review on youtube.
I have tried Andy's board during an ABK camp and wished I haven't already bought a SUP and separatw windsurf long board.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D_Tfuj3aPEfc&ved=2ahUKEwirocf946ftAhW-TTABHSOWBZYQt9IBMAV6BAgHEAk&usg=AOvVaw0HC2Yv2HpHldcJg780PuLK

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Re: Hybrid wind SUP?

Now is really not the time of year for learning a wind/water sport - unless you have a good wet suit. So it's good to take your time and figure it all out, or book a trip to warmer climates. (Then again, I've heard something about a virus going around....)

There is another option: Wingsup leading to wingfoiling, depending on the adrenaline levels you are looking for, skill levels, wind and how much you want to spend.

That leads down a whole different path, though.

Disclaimer: Note the guy in the video is not a mere mortal, and local conditions are not always as ideal (and never as beautiful.)

What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole.

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Re: Hybrid wind SUP?

Hi! Welcome. A couple of things:
1) Search function is available both on the right hand menu of the home page and the magnifying glass icon on the top right of the home page
or: https://windsportatlanta.com/search

2) Any hybrid is going to be a compromise so take some time to figure out what qualities are more likely to useful to you. I'm a bit lazy at the moment so I'm not posting links to all the kinds available but if there is something that strikes your fancy, I'll be more than happy to point you to a few examples. Also, WndSUPs haven't been around that long so there aren't that many super cheap ones available. If you are buying used, there may be one or two local options but primarily you'll be driving somewhere to pick it up as it costs a ton of money to ship a 10 ft long piece of styrofoam.

Are you thinking of mostly lake paddling and some sail? Think about a longer WindSUP (10+ feet) so you get some glide. Maybe think about one of the WindSUPs that has a centerboard option so you can easily sail upwind. Also look at the Exocet and Kona longboards which can do both. Okay paddlers and quite good windsurfing longboards

Are you paddling in mild beach break? Maybe a shorter (8-9) SUP is in order. Short and turny enough you can have fun on the waves whether using a sail or paddle. This was the origin of the SUP, the Hawaii crew wanting to get out on light days and surf small stuff. The AHD Sea Lion has been a great example of this kind of board.

Are you an adrenaline junkie who's more likely to want more and more speed as you improve? Maybe the Slingshot 290 or one of the many combo wing/wind/paddle foil boards. For most foil uses, short is better so you'll be giving up paddle performance for the chance to be up on the foil. There are a number of boards in this category including the Starboard Hypernut.

Are you someone with a sailing background that probably would like to paddle some and sail more eventually? Again, look at the Exocet, Kona longboards.

If space is a premium, there are inflatable options. Just be sure to do your research on your particular model to see how well it stands up to the strains of sail or foil.

3) Another option is to get a well built SUP and install or glue on (depending on the type) mast track or mast insert for the sail. Randy has done this with good results. If it's a cheap glass SUP, you'll need some glassing skills to install one because the skin isn't strong enough for a glue on insert. If it's stronger like Bic, you can glue something on.

Lastly - as you can probably tell, hydrofoils are rocking our world whether from paddle to wing,kite,windsurf. It really is all that. If you are going to be an environment where the wind is 10 mph or more or you are in small waves, etc, I'd recommend the paths you explore include the foil option.

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Re: Hybrid wind SUP?

William: do you think a foil would work on my RRD Wassap

here is a link = https://www.amazon.co.uk/DR-RRD-Wassup-10-Wood-V2/dp/B00T9UB3KS

PeelSkid

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Anything that claims to do everything usually excels at nothing.

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iirc, your fin is US box. There is nothing that works for your current fin box even with an adapter. If I'm wrong and it's Powerbox, yes, you can. You'll just need to really pad the nose/mast so you don't destroy it when you fall.

If I'm correct, you can have tracks installed so you could use a track mount foil like Slingshot, NP and a bunch of others. It'll take someone with good glass skills and you are better off if you get the boxes prebuilt like this: https://www.mackiteboarding.com/ride-engine-foil-track-box/
from their description

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Here are some basic instructions for install. If you do not have experience working with fiberglass I would pay an experienced glasser or repair facility to install it for you.

Not sure if this one is up to the loads of a windfoil (we put a lot more side stress on a box than other types of foiling)

If you can clamber onto something like Langdon's 150, that's a better option. The shorter nose will foil better and offer a much smaller target for your inevitable catapults. That's the only negative I've really read about the SS 290 is that the nose is an inviting target for the boom.

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So I have no experience with sailing, one of the draws was to maybe learn the basics and see where it leads. Started getting interested in the paddle board because it looked like a good exercise without being a gym workout. About a mile from the house is a city owned park on the banks of one of the largest lakes in the State (TX), $40 a year for unlimited access. It's really nothing to throw the kayak/canoe in the back the truck and splash for an hour or two in the vening. One of my other hobbies is SCUBA so I have wet suits (lake vis is like a cup of coffee and yep I had to try it... Smile )

... one of the reasons I'm starting this up now, it will give me a little time to research the equipment and technique so hopefully I'll be somewhat prepared by warm weather.

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Re: Hybrid wind SUP?

That feedback helps.

Take a look here: https://www.nbwindsurfing.com/shop/WindSUP.htm
and here: https://isthmussailboards.com/wind-sup.html

If you are more of the adrenaline seeking type, do consider a wingfoilable board. Wing foils are probably the easiest of all the disciplines and requires minimal prior sailing experience. However, if you totally lack sailing experience, a lesson would be of great benefit.

You are lucky that in Texas you have lots of options as far as gear and local support from other windsurfers. A great place to get your "feet wet" is South Padre Island. You can learn the basics of windsurfing in a lesson or two and then go back home and putter around if you wish or slowly progress to stronger winds. You can also likely rent gear so maybe give things a go before you plunk your money down on something.

When these guys open back up, consider giving them a call: https://www.worldwinds.net/ There may be others but I'm not super familiar with SPI. You may want to check FB for local windsurfing groups. Not sure who's on the internet like we are these days.

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Re: Hybrid wind SUP?

Check out the FAQ on wetsuits. https://windsportatlanta.com/wiki/FAQS

Bill Herderich

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Re: Hybrid wind SUP?

Check out the FAQ on wetsuits. https://windsportatlanta.com/wiki/FAQS

Bill Herderich

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... you guys are killin' me over here. Came in here looking for info on a wind surfer I could SUP and now you got me looking at wingfoils... Smile I hope my lottery ticket hits tonight.

Seriously though, you've given me a lot of good info to read through. I'm quite a bit more familiar with the sports than I was a week ago and still reading up on it.

Regarding SPI, that is a vacation mecca for us (almost moved there last summer). I've seen the guys over in the bay wind surfing and even some of the kite guys out in the surf on the Gulf side,

Thanks for all the info.

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