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Tiga Free X - $150. If you could only have one (finned) board it ought to be something like this. At 125L, 64cm width, this one will cover a lot of our conditions... 5.5 to 7.5-ish. Fast, fun, easy to jibe and she's yellow! (So she knows how to jump). What else is there?? Comes with 2 Trimbox fins, 39 & 40 cm, so lots of range there too. It's all in very good condition and so cheap you can't afford to not own it.

You're probably miffed at what sounds like bait & switch- "Free" costs $150. WTF? To assuage your umbrage, if you act right away*, I'll throw in a really free board... and it's exactly what a guy like you needs on a day like this– Mistral Eruption ! She's also fast, fun and super jumpy but at 78L, not for the faint of heart. (This would also make a great wall ornament or mailbox post)!

*or any time tomorrow. Or next week... or really anytime you feel like it.

Shout out to William at FragWorks for the amazing restoration of the 40 cm fin. It looks like new!

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Dammit, misread the title. Spent 10 minutes looking for a lighter that had fluid in it just to come back and see that you'd written "Free Board".

--- The Arrogant Jerk: Crabby and irritable since 1998.

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WOW!!! I would love to have that Eruption, but don't need the Tiga!

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I would love to have that Eruption
You can have it! Thank Radny, who abandoned it, for it too. I have a gig in Jasper, GA tomorrow. If that helps, I can bring it with me.
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I didn't exactly abandon it. I gifted it to a new owner who was going to take it home after the 2019 regatta. He apparently decided to abandon it instead of taking it home. Yes 3

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WOW!!! I would love to have that Eruption, but don't need the Tiga!

Remind me, what's your widest short board?

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Re: Free Board

102 L Bic Electric Rock is 56 cm wide
84 L Mistral Ecstasy is 56 cm wide- paired well with the 5.7 Waddell in yesterday's session!

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Ashevillejanes wrote:

102 L Bic Electric Rock is 56 cm wide 84 L Mistral Ecstasy is 56 cm wide- paired well with the 5.7 Waddell in yesterday's session!

If you ever get a chance in 12-25 mph (our bread and butter), I think you would find a 64cm wide (or even 68-75) board enlightening especially this time of year. The boards you have are fun - classics - but the newer stuff has more range and is easier to ride.

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What would the main differences be, between new and old? Why do you think its better? Thanks

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What would the main differences be, between new and old? Why do you think its better? Thanks

Short version:
Stable: Easier to stand on (width), volume is under you between the mast track and fin rather than up in the not so useful long nose.
Range: Wider tail means option to carry bigger, more efficient fins and earlier planing but tweaks in rocker and V means the board won't turn into a bouncy mess as the wind picks up.
Fun: More rail refinement vs 120-130 l mid 90s boards means easier jibing and more choices of jibe radii. Plus, as the wind picks up you aren't running scared back to the beach.
Match modern rigs: Boards of that era had mast tracks further forward to match then current sail design. Modern loose-leach sails are more stable and draft forward which allows the mast track to be back. To balance an older board, you need to have the mast base all the way back in the track.

I'm happy to expand on any point.

There are some adjustments needed to ride the current generation of boards but it's worth it, imho. https://www.windsurf.co.uk/jem-hall-enhance-your-stance/

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Short version: Stable: Easier to stand on (width), volume is under you...

Oh. See, I thought "It's yellow" would be the big selling point... or maybe the supercool FragWorks fin redo Good

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Good info, thanks. If I ever get a chance to try one, I might. But the problem then is I will have to buy new gear........

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Good info, thanks. If I ever get a chance to try one, I might. But the problem then is I will have to buy new gear........

It is the domino theory - get a new board, and your sail won't work. Get a new sail and you find the mast doesn't fit. Get a new mast and you need a new extension..........Boom might be a problem too........ Lol (Of course, it all depends on what you are using now.)

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Exactly

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Re: Free Board

Webguy I do actually have a Quatro Freestyle Wave 95 Litre, Super light and wide, I can uphaul my 7.5 sail on it in calm water which is cool. I still need to try it out further, but my 3 rides so far, I found is slow and super bobby. I'm used to the Astro/Electric rocks slicin and dicin skipping across the water! Also, for the record, the only I ran back scared to the beach was when the bull shark swam up to me on a sand bar near Ocracoke!!

That said, I'm gonna message Foildodo, because now I'm curious!!

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Webguy I do actually have a Quatro Freestyle Wave 95 Litre, Super light and wide, I can uphaul my 7.5 sail on it in calm water which is cool. I still need to try it out further, but my 3 rides so far, I found is slow and super bobby. I'm used to the Astro/Electric rocks slicin and dicin skipping across the water! Also, for the record, the only I ran back scared to the beach was when the bull shark swam up to me on a sand bar near Ocracoke!!

That said, I'm gonna message Foildodo, because now I'm curious!!

So, yeah, those are some of the differences. Biggrin The E-Rock was originally a slalom race board so should be pretty fast. In the same conditions, you could probably sail something like the RRD Firemove 110 and have similar speed and handling but it would be a lot more user friendly at 74cm wide. Ed was blistering an a 115 l. 67cm wide board Monday. (corrected thanks to Alan's post below Ed's board: https://boardseekermag.com/equipment/f2_xtc_2007-2/

btw, wave boards are meant to be slow oddly enough. Or, rather, not meant to be fast. It's a subtle distinction but you actually want a board that turns very well (curvy rocker line as opposed to flatter, faster slalom, B&J) and, as importantly, a fast board outruns the wave which isn't what you want to do. The fin set up if it's a multi-fin will cause drag, too.

Wave boards can be fast enough, though. It might be a stance, set up issue. They need to be ridden pretty upright compared to a slalom board where you can be more extended and pushing on the fin. Or, it could just be a real wavy shape that prefers turning vs going fast in a straight line.

Again, nothing about this is "required". When you get a chance, though, I think you will find the differences interesting. And, noticing those differences make us better windsurfers even if it's not your cup of tea.

We need more details on this bull shark story... don't leave us hanging!

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Ed was blistering an a 116 l. 65cm wide board Monday. Ed's board (the link will die eventually as we age out the ads: https://windsportatlanta.com/content/f2-spice-116-2120

I ended up keeping the F2 Spice for myself.
Ed was setting his speed records on a F2 XTC 115L .. 67 wide I believe.

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webguy wrote: Ed was blistering an a 116 l. 65cm wide board Monday. Ed's board (the link will die eventually as we age out the ads: https://windsportatlanta.com/content/f2-spice-116-2120

I ended up keeping the F2 Spice for myself. Ed was setting his speed records on a F2 XTC 115L .. 67 wide I believe.

Two things come to mind:
1) Thanks for the correction and update. 67x242 iirc. link up above
2) You're garage is almost as bad as mine. Lol

Description/review of Ed's board: https://www.surfstore.co.uk/equipment_tests/2008_OTC_board_tests/F2/F2XTC115_2008.pdf

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Posted before but on point for this topic: comparing a top level Mistral race board from the late 90s to a modern race board. 278x55 93 l. vs 238x63 98l. Pretty much echos what we've talked about here. The older board is pretty much as fast in a straight line but the turns are more challenging and not as forgiving. The comparison starts around 1:50 for the impatient and then stick around for his comments after riding it.

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great video and summarizations, William. Now at some point I'd be interested to hear your thoughts/theories regarding nose jobs. Like with that 120L Mistral Flow in mind, eg - or in any general terms - what would be the advantages of lopping off some of that old-school pointy-ness? and disadvantages? any notable losses in "valuable volume"? (I'd think not) or sacrifices by lopping off the "nose rocker"? (perhaps?) But would that 'nose rocker" potentially be missed in lake chop? or perhaps only in the surf?

Rainy day contemplations. Hope you guys are all having a good day on Lanier today! Good

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zzholt wrote:

great video and summarizations, William. Now at some point I'd be interested to hear your thoughts/theories regarding nose jobs. Like with that 120L Mistral Flow in mind, eg - or in any general terms - what would be the advantages of lopping off some of that old-school pointy-ness? and disadvantages? any notable losses in "valuable volume"? (I'd think not) or sacrifices by lopping off the "nose rocker"? (perhaps?) But would that 'nose rocker" potentially be missed in lake chop? or perhaps only in the surf?

Rainy day contemplations. Hope you guys are all having a good day on Lanier today! Good

Being long-winded, I'll respond this evening after (hopefully) I get the chance to ride my 3rd nose job. Biggrin Hope that everyone who gets out today has a good time.

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